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What is being done to promote “Dark Skies “ in Montrose?

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C. Carl Bostek
C. Carl Bostek

The HOA Management company acknowledged receiving the information I supplied and said they passed it on to the Board members here in The Preserve.  That was about 5 days ago.  I've heard nothing else on the issue..

 

Bryan Cashion
Bryan Cashion

Carl

 

Thanks for sharing with your HOA.  Being on the outskirts of town makes The Preserve a fairly dark place already.  I hope you are able to 'preserve' that!

 

One of the reasons that homeowners often are reluctant to 'dim' the lights is safety.  Unfortunately, the 'safety' of bright lights is a myth.  Here is information supporting this.

https://www.darksky.org/light-pollution/lighting-crime-and-safety/

The opening video is, perhaps, a bit dramatic.

However, the subsequent links to scientific studies on Lighting, Crime, and Safety are robust and insightful.

 

Bryan

C. Carl Bostek
C. Carl Bostek

I've shared all the links with my HOA and Management agency.  Thanks for posting them!

Lee Burkai
Lee Burkai

 

The city of Montrose needs to take responsibility for aggressively enforcing outdoor lighting codes. It is very idealistic to want the parties involved with lighting disagreements to resolve the issue, best of all worlds. But, I've come up against the solid attitudes of persons who are aggressive in their belief that their light pollution is nobody's business: bright light bullying. 

I believe the city of Montrose and it's code enforcement office should be moderating and refereeing any communications between property owners and their disagreements of use of outdoor lighting. The city should be an involved 'third party' to witness how the property owners communicate and react to complaints of 'glaring light pollution'. Eighteen years ago I asked a neighbor if he would shield the glare of his night lights. He threatened me with harm.

Bryan Cashion
Bryan Cashion

Lee

I fully agree.  Rules without enforcement (on ANY topic, not just lighting) are worse than no rules at all.

Here are links that provide information about the benefits of mitigating light pollution for city (and county) management.  It's not just geeky astronomers (me) who benefit.

https://www.darksky.org/our-work/lighting/public-policy/policy-makers/

https://www.darksky.org/get-involved/

Based on my own experience, having one or two or a dozen people support dark skies to government management is inadequate.  Dozens are needed. Hundreds are better.  I hope that NABUR Dark Skies can be the focal point for that.

The city management reps who came to the Town Hall indicated that they would follow all the topics on NABUR.  We shall see.

Bryan

 

 

Lee Burkai
Lee Burkai

Hi Bryan, I lived on the Big Island of Hawaii for ten years (1980-90). Had a Protea flower farm at 3500' sitting between Hualalai and Mauna Kea mountains. In the evening, I could see stars from the horizons up! 

Josue Perez
Josue Perez Journalist Product Manager

@Lee Burkai what a sight that must have been. Thank you for sharing. 

Steven Manis
Steven Manis

Is there some group or person to talk to about starting a Dark Skies initiative?

Bryan Cashion
Bryan Cashion

BACKGROUND

The Montrose City Council passed a resolution supporting Dark Skies in 2016.

http://www.cityofmontrose.org/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/2406

 

Further info on the above which was present by the Uncompahgre Valley Association is in

https://www.cityofmontrose.org/Archive/ViewFile/Item/2399

Montrose passed a lighting ordinance in 2013.  It is now outdated and would not be compliant with Dark Sky requirements.  Enforcement of the ordinance is a challenge.

https://library.municode.com/co/montrose/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=PTIICOOR_TITIVBURE_CH4-13OULI

To my knowledge, no further action has been taken by any party with respect to Montrose since the above.

STATUS

Information on Dark Skies in Colorado is available at 

https://idacolorado.xyz/

https://cpdarkskies.org/

 

At this time, the following Western Slope communities have been designated as Dark Sky Communities

Norwood - https://norwoodcolorado.com/visit-norwood/a-dark-sky-community/

Ridgway - https://ridgwaycolorado.com/things-to-do/outdoor-adventure/dark-skies

Slumgullion Center (actually a dark sky park, but close to Lake CIty) - https://www.darksky.org/our-work/conservation/idsp/parks/slumgullion-center/

The following are in the process of submitting an application for designation.  This is a complex process (rightly so); hence, I do not know when applications will be submitted nor if they would be accepted.

Paonia - https://www.darkskiespaonia.com/

Nucla/Naturita - https://www.facebook.com/WestEndDarkSkies/

 

 

Additional efforts are under way

https://www.greeleytribune.com/2021/01/17/colorado-dark-skies-preservation/

https://cpdarkskies.org/the-western-night-skies-council/

 

Bryan

 

 

Josue Perez
Josue Perez Journalist Product Manager

@Steven Manis @Bryan Cashion Awesome resources Bryan. Steven, we're planning another community town hall, and I can make sure one of the topics is dark skies. The last community town hall only scratched the surface for discussion on the topic, so stay tuned for the next town hall so that discussion can continue. 

C. Carl Bostek
C. Carl Bostek

Yes, great resources indeed.  I will provide them to our HOA because there has been some discussion here in The Preserve and some opposition to any light control.

C. Carl Bostek
C. Carl Bostek

I'm not aware of anything being done to promote it, but it is one of the great things about being here! :)

Bryan Cashion
Bryan Cashion

Steven

 

At the moment, THIS forum is probably the primary / only mechanism to support Dark SKies in Montrose.

 

Bryan

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